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	<title>Comments on: An Open Letter to Silicon Valley Recruiters</title>
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	<description>Josh Tynjala explores Flash, Flex, and ActionScript.</description>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-60772</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed your post, and I appreciate your trying to be diplomatic with recruiters. I&#039;ve been a recruiter for a while, and it&#039;s astounding how many calls back we&#039;ve gotten this past year due to the recession- from people who hung up on us a year ago! 

Your arguments are completely valid. That said, allow me to add 3 things everyone should know about recruiters:

1) If recruiters aren&#039;t calling you, it&#039;s because you&#039;re not attractive to other companies. Stay where you are; you&#039;re probably lucky to be there.

2) Most of the very best companies use recruiters, even third-party ones. After all, why post a job to the public? You&#039;d get 15,000 applications from college kids and unemployeds to sort through, and none from happily employed candidates at the top of their field. Why do that, when your search firm can have the top 3 people in the industry in your office Monday morning?

3) If you hang up without listening, it tells the recruiter only one thing: &quot;I wouldn&#039;t have wanted to try to market someone like that for a senior position!&quot; Word gets out, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your post, and I appreciate your trying to be diplomatic with recruiters. I&#8217;ve been a recruiter for a while, and it&#8217;s astounding how many calls back we&#8217;ve gotten this past year due to the recession- from people who hung up on us a year ago! </p>
<p>Your arguments are completely valid. That said, allow me to add 3 things everyone should know about recruiters:</p>
<p>1) If recruiters aren&#8217;t calling you, it&#8217;s because you&#8217;re not attractive to other companies. Stay where you are; you&#8217;re probably lucky to be there.</p>
<p>2) Most of the very best companies use recruiters, even third-party ones. After all, why post a job to the public? You&#8217;d get 15,000 applications from college kids and unemployeds to sort through, and none from happily employed candidates at the top of their field. Why do that, when your search firm can have the top 3 people in the industry in your office Monday morning?</p>
<p>3) If you hang up without listening, it tells the recruiter only one thing: &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t have wanted to try to market someone like that for a senior position!&#8221; Word gets out, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-53923</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t delete voice mails until you&#039;ve heard them?

Try pressing &#039;3&#039; while listening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t delete voice mails until you&#8217;ve heard them?</p>
<p>Try pressing &#8217;3&#8242; while listening?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Dealy</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-26487</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Dealy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, nice site, 
I particularly appreciated the code examples you have posted!
maybe I will return the favor in the near future!
regards,
BD

oh and the comment above about doe snot was great
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remember that doe snot give you the right to be condescending and cocky [end quote] took me a minute to realize that it wasnt really doe snot, which actually would have been an interesting phrase...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, nice site,<br />
I particularly appreciated the code examples you have posted!<br />
maybe I will return the favor in the near future!<br />
regards,<br />
BD</p>
<p>oh and the comment above about doe snot was great<br />
[quote<br />
remember that doe snot give you the right to be condescending and cocky [end quote] took me a minute to realize that it wasnt really doe snot, which actually would have been an interesting phrase&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fuad Kamal</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-24841</link>
		<dc:creator>Fuad Kamal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 05:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great list, Josh!  I would add:

6. If you can barely speak English, and/or are calling me out of India and having your phone number show up as a U.S. number to try to dupe me into answering, don&#039;t bother, because I will be extremely condescending and tell you to your face to go learn English because I can&#039;t understand a word you&#039;re saying.

7. Do you realize that I am already the technical lead on the project you are calling me about?!? (That happened to me like fifty times on the HP Print Studio project) 

I liked the comment about the CEO contacting the guy...the CEO of XIF posted his job on Craigslist and it got forwarded to me by a friend.  Since then Pronto! has been shown two years in a row at MAX...very cool result. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list, Josh!  I would add:</p>
<p>6. If you can barely speak English, and/or are calling me out of India and having your phone number show up as a U.S. number to try to dupe me into answering, don&#8217;t bother, because I will be extremely condescending and tell you to your face to go learn English because I can&#8217;t understand a word you&#8217;re saying.</p>
<p>7. Do you realize that I am already the technical lead on the project you are calling me about?!? (That happened to me like fifty times on the HP Print Studio project) </p>
<p>I liked the comment about the CEO contacting the guy&#8230;the CEO of XIF posted his job on Craigslist and it got forwarded to me by a friend.  Since then Pronto! has been shown two years in a row at MAX&#8230;very cool result. <img src='http://joshblog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josh Tynjala</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-22095</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Tynjala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 16:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, thanks for your comment. I was surprised that it took so long for someone to react negatively to this post.

For the record, I&#039;m always polite with recruiters that contact me, and I know their jobs can be difficult. They&#039;re salespeople trying to sell me something I already have. Obviously, that can&#039;t be easy. While I try to end the conversation quickly, I do it diplomatically.

I didn&#039;t write this post in anger. It was meant to be humorous. Judging by the above average number of recruiters who sent me messages through my contact page recently, it feels like a success to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, thanks for your comment. I was surprised that it took so long for someone to react negatively to this post.</p>
<p>For the record, I&#8217;m always polite with recruiters that contact me, and I know their jobs can be difficult. They&#8217;re salespeople trying to sell me something I already have. Obviously, that can&#8217;t be easy. While I try to end the conversation quickly, I do it diplomatically.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write this post in anger. It was meant to be humorous. Judging by the above average number of recruiters who sent me messages through my contact page recently, it feels like a success to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-22091</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, you have great people skills, huh?

I hope you are really as talented as you make yourself out to be, to pretentiously turn down work as much as you claim.

I don&#039;t particularly like speaking to recruiters myself either, and I&#039;ve had similar issues with them. But I think you are going a bit overboard on this one.

On that noe, a word of advice: As much of a demand there is for us flash developers, remember that doe snot give you the right to be condescending and cocky. I made this mistake once. 

ANYBODY is replaceable, the key is to be diplomatic. 

In fairness though, im sure you were probably angry when you wrote this, so I don&#039;t mean to bash you. ITs just that, sorry I hardly sympathize for you for turning down work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you have great people skills, huh?</p>
<p>I hope you are really as talented as you make yourself out to be, to pretentiously turn down work as much as you claim.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly like speaking to recruiters myself either, and I&#8217;ve had similar issues with them. But I think you are going a bit overboard on this one.</p>
<p>On that noe, a word of advice: As much of a demand there is for us flash developers, remember that doe snot give you the right to be condescending and cocky. I made this mistake once. </p>
<p>ANYBODY is replaceable, the key is to be diplomatic. </p>
<p>In fairness though, im sure you were probably angry when you wrote this, so I don&#8217;t mean to bash you. ITs just that, sorry I hardly sympathize for you for turning down work.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Qabiz</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-22065</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Qabiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 11:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ha ha, that&#039;s funny but says some serious stuff....


-abdul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ha ha, that&#8217;s funny but says some serious stuff&#8230;.</p>
<p>-abdul</p>
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		<title>By: seth</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-21852</link>
		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would only add, don&#039;t call the company I currently work for. We only have one phone line and it goes directly to the CEO. If you think convincing me is hard enough, have fun convincing my employer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would only add, don&#8217;t call the company I currently work for. We only have one phone line and it goes directly to the CEO. If you think convincing me is hard enough, have fun convincing my employer.</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe Andrade</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-21791</link>
		<dc:creator>Felipe Andrade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahaha... great points!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahaha&#8230; great points!</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
		<link>http://joshblog.net/2007/10/12/an-open-letter-to-silicon-valley-recruiters/comment-page-1/#comment-21515</link>
		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, come to the Netherlands, here they pay that hourly rate without hestitating :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, come to the Netherlands, here they pay that hourly rate without hestitating <img src='http://joshblog.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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